Too old for Rap?
Mar 20, 2008 Author: green eyes | Filed under: Back in the Day, Bullshit, Captain-Save-a-Ho is off duty, Fight the Power, Pay Attention Boys & GirlsThe incomparably inspirational and pimptastic Texan Mac Brown and I were partaking in a conversational exchange the other day and he brought up the topic of ageism in Hip Hop; how rampant it is, and how most 25 year olds, if they haven’t made it yet- need to just walk away. after a brief moment of consideration, I had to agree. To generalize- mastery in most careers that human beings undertake take years to achieve. The best and brightest are often the oldest as they have spent years honing and perfecting their craft, Nature then deals a cruel twist of fate as many who finally gain enough knowledge and experience to be considered masters do so around the time their bodies start to fail; limbs grow weak, minds feeble. Yet and still– you start young, and master old. Unless, of course, you want to a rapper when you grow up. If you want to be rapper, you must start young, master young and quit before you’re 35 lest you be ridiculed as the feeble, out of touch old man, a has been, or worse a barely made it but never really was.
Its hardly arguable that the rap industry is a cruel one to to choose to join. One must have certain level of masochism in them to choose a career in a field that treats you like shit, lifts you to enormous heights only to revel in your guaranteed demise. Yet and still, every block in every city, suburb, ghetto and trailer park in the US (fuck it all over the world) has a cat who is shooting for the stars with his (or her) dreams of rapping. Mostly these dreamers are teenagers, for they intuitively know that as soon as they hit 20, if they aren’t close to a deal, they have maybe 3 years before its all over before it even started.
We’ve all seen it… outside the club, on the corner, late night at the Waffle House, that 25 year old cat hustling his demo to any random person who seem like that might listen to a hip hop song on occasion. Or to the nice White lady hes’ trying to charm out of $10 with his silver tongued wordplay. Or even worse– the cat bussing tables at Cheesecake Factory, scribbling rhymes on receipt stubs during breaks. Worse still… the dude signing a major label deal at 21.. releasing an album at 23, and being dropped from the label, a 1 hit wonder at 25 destined as nothing more than footnote in Hip Hop’s long history.
In other areas of sports and entertainment, this type of ageism exists, but to a lesser degree. In sports, you start young because that’s when your body is at its peak- its a generally understood and accepted fact. In film, television and other music genres, there is a certain preference for youth- but its not unheard of for critical acclaim and respect to go to older generations, or even people who are 34.
Not in rap. By pursuing a career in rap, you are actively attempting to have a career in an industry where you are very likely going to be washed up and forced out before you turn 30. Where 90% of the time, you lost before you even really started, and a good year doesn’t mean a whole lot. So whats all this mean? That we need to feel bad for rappers? Fuck no, Fuck a rapper. All it means, is that when you see that cat hustling his CD on the corner, give him a minute of your time. Reality will hit soon enough like an eviction notice, but for now-you’re talking to one of the few people left in this worlds whose dream’s haven’t died yet. And if you are that 25 year old cat still aiming fir the stars, I’m not one to kill dreams… but you might want to start looking at other career options. It may sound harsh, but if you don’t like it, Mr. Brown says it best: “truthhurts.com is thataway.”
The rap game eats its young and shits out its old. Is it any wonder those chosen few who make it and get that brief moment to shine, milk it for all its worth?
21 Responses for "Too old for Rap?"
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That was brilliant, Greenita. A genuinely heartfelt love letter to those who dare to dream.
This was your best work yet. Kudos.
–Rey
wow. thanks rey… even though i screwed u the page and forgot to hit the “read more” button. phuque’s gonna get me.
hi mac.
hi mac.
^^^ HI!!!
LF: women suck (sometimes!!)
back on topic: brilliant……….if I do say so myself!
This is a subject that I think hip hop has been sort of avoiding.
I can’t tell you how many times I run across kneegrows in their late 20’s or even early 30’s passing out their mix tapes. Its fine if this is a hobby of yours and you just got a side hustle. But lets be honest………..a lot of times, the reason these old muh-fukkas is hockin mixtapes is cuz they just dont want a 9 to 5 (who can really blame them for that) or they are just fuck ups who spent soo much time in their twenties trying to “get on” that they never developed a useful skill to make them employable. (which is sad)
mac-
LF: on behalf of my sex, I apologize.
but you hit the nail on the head.. cats use hip hop as a diversionary technique to avoid the real world- like that mofo whos a professional student.
cats just need to grow up
Oh and lets not forget the ageism in hip hop….its waaaay more prevalent that other genre’s. But I sorta blame the industry itself for this one. Think about…….the industry perpetuates this silent “youth only” culture in hip hop. There is no real fore-site with the industry cats in hip hop. If hip hop would concentrate on not only developing new young artist & trends, but also maintaining those talented “more mature” acts that can still pack in a small arena or what not, the industry could be getting them dollas from both ends. (the youth and the old heads) We can have our “rolling stones” (other than run dmc) and have our Soulja Boys’ (I have to give him props for getting that kiddie rap fan money……thats all). But nooooooo the industry wants to develop them then kick them to the curb by the time they hit 28 (which is usually the age of some of our artist best works……think about it). anyways……..thats my 2 cents
good point.. their ageism is stopping the industry from fully realizings its blood sucking money stealing artist raping potential. dumb business move rap industry, real dumb
*gets text message*
*ignores*
green eyes March 20th, 2008 at 4:15 am
good point.. their ageism is stopping the industry from fully realizings its blood sucking money stealing artist raping potential. dumb business move rap industry, real dumb
^^^thats what I’M SAYING! These fools aren’t even raping these dude to the fullest.
Ignant BASTIDS!!!!!
word you make some good points green. Maybe if the content in the music was more mature, hip hop would be more accepting to the 30 plus cats. Majority of the older cats still rapping are trying to keep pace with the younger squad with lyrics just as ignorant or more.
cold- true. at the same time the ageism almost encourages such an arrested development in these cats. I for one wouldnt mind hearing more variety in content from all generations of rappers.
good post Greenie and while for the most part I agree, I think 30 is a more realistic cut off, shit theres so much shit out there today you might not get noticed till your 24,25, even 28 years old.
Also some people should be able to keep rapping passed their 30’s cause some aren’t attention grabbing whores. They just wanna rap, make good music and connect with their fans, people like Ghostface specifically that guy still bring top notch quality music every album and his fans still anxiously await his new music. Rappers should be able to stay rapping if for now other reason people who grew up listening to them still wanna hear what they have to say, what they need to do is fall back from trying to hog the spotlight and make way and help and appreciate the young cats coming in, well some of them anyway.
If you were to tell me I could never hear another rap album from the people I grew up on ( who are all well over 30 now I might just stop listening to all new rap altogether just in protest )
Damn, talk about cold dose of reality.
See here also: Phresh
^^Sorry for piggy backing your post. It’s too cold to stand out in a parking lot so I gotta self=promote online.
all good says.. thanks for coming through
ty– cosign- IM certainly not saying get rid of rappers older than 25. if so id just be listening to myself talk.
I totally agree that rap pushes these ‘old rappers’ out but old according to whom, the rap audience? Am I going to be 50 plus and listening to Doggystyle and Illmatic and talking shit about new rappers not being like they used to be. Sort of like old school Peops talking about R&B and just spinning their old records instead of listening to new artists that come out. I feel thats how this thing is going to go. Sucks though that a Rapper cant rap forever maybe because the shit they rap about is fantasy type ish instead of real life day to day shit(word to Blu) , I bet if a rapper was more forthcoming and personal while still displaying lyrical dexterity and dope beats, dude could probably hold an audience for as long as he spit. At the end of the day I would still go see Nas or the Camel perform they songs even if they are 50. Who Knows maybe the Camel will get a 30 Million dollar a year gig to Spit in Vegas Nightly, Word to Celin Dion! Anything Can happen
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^^ I Love this guy
Good shyt Fishnets Fatale…
Truly though, even though hip-hop has come a long way, it’s still evolving as a hole. We are still discovering new territory even 2008, so all of the real questions haven’t been answered just yet. Give it another 10 or 15 years, then lets look back at these topics.
Rapping is like boxing, most folks don’t quit until they are pushed out of the business. It’s hard for most rappers and boxers to admit that they just don’t have it anymore. There is a deep feeling of self-satisfaction and love that goes along with doing both activities that just can’t be replaced with a simple 9 to 5 in many cases. Even though we all know that their careers will end sooner than later. I feel that along as you are making good music, keep doing your thing until you are ready to stop, if you can afford it…
I missed spelled a couple of words on my previous comment, but I’m not editing it…phuck dat…LOL!
lol.. gracias jamz…and spelling (aside from the overuse of the letter z) isnt that big of a deal around here
You tell Phnxxx to read this..
Whatchu know about that?